Murphy, Ciattarelli have fought for COVID skirts, school fees, abortions, white privileges in an angry NJ gov debate

In their second, and final, debate before voters to elect a race for the governor of New Jersey in three weeks, the Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy and Republican spokesman Jack Ciattarelli on Tuesday night sold another set of rigorous exchanges over COVID-19 drugs and mask laws, school fees, and white privileges – while surprisingly finding more related abortion items.

The hour-long event at Rowan University in Glassboro was just as violent as the first controversy of the race, with the delegates chanting sharp turns and the audience constantly clapping their hands, boos, and screaming.

That comes as Murphy, who is seeking a second term, continues to lead Ciattarelli, a former national committee member, in the general election, although the chances are slim.

On Tuesday, the two of them continued to give different signals about the future of New Jersey – starting with the rules on how the world treats the ongoing coronavirus epidemic.

Ciattarelli insisted that he personally encourages people to be vaccinated, but insisted that he was fighting preventive and curative drugs because “one-way-appropriate-all-way” does not work for most residents.

“I believe that my role as governor when I am elected is to provide all the information needed to take action. And the election is theirs, ”he said at the beginning of the debate, sponsored by NJ PBS, WNYC, and Rowan University.

Murphy stated that Ciattarelli would put his life “in jeopardy” through his COVID-19 regulations.

“This feels like a debate in Texas or Florida,” the governor said.

Ciattarelli also criticized Murphy over recent reports that the governor and other attendees did not wear masks for an indoor football match hosted by Garden State Equality in Asbury Park this week. Participants were required to provide proof of injection or an inaccurate ECVID-19 test to enter. But Monmouth County currently has “high” prices for coronavirus transmission and masking is promoted in such an area, according to US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. .

While Murphy promoted national masks, he encouraged people to wear masks in high-risk areas. And Republicans accused the governor of being a hypocrite and not wearing a veil on this occasion when children had to wear masks to school and keep during the day.

“He took part in a very large house meeting… where no one was wearing masks,” Ciattarelli said in the debate. “I think our leadership needs to be consistent at times like this.”

Murphy said he did not wear a veil because he was on stage talking – something he said is a common occurrence at public events, such as his weekly ECVID-19 posters.

“Are you wearing a veil right now? We are on stage, ”Murphy told Ciattarelli.

Ciattarelli replied: “She was at a large house assembly. No one was wearing a veil.”

“All right,” Murphy replied.

The governor was also pressured as to why he had not yet fulfilled his promise to investigate the detection of coronavirus infection in nursing homes and long-term care facilities, where more than 8,500 people have died of COVID-19.

“The problem is that we’re still in the middle of the disease,” Murphy said. “There will be a full reading, no doubt, free of charge for my office on this.”

Another heated argument involved the state budget. Ciattarelli attacked Murphy with an additional $ 11 billion in spending over the past four years. And he promised to cut $ 10 in spending. reduce taxes by restoring the national format of payment services.

But Ciattarelli did not directly respond to plans he had cut to reduce spending, instead saying he would work with the National Political Council to find out.

“We’ll all sit down together, tighten the belt and look for cut-outs,” he said. “I will tell you that the national government is open, indifferent, and corrupted by values.”

Murphy talked about how his management increased funding for public schools and recently made a $ 6 billion grant to a traditional program. He also accused Ciattarelli and former lawmakers of failing to provide adequate funding in the past.

“We inherited a whole lot of dirt, and it was there for six years before I was,” Murphy said.

Ciattarelli stated: “The budget increased by $ 11 billion. People don’t want to be given something, they want to be handed out. ”

“This is annoying,” Murphy replied. “That’s another example of back-to-back. Hand? Come man. ”

Ciattarelli defended his school financial plans against criticism that would cut court funding to impoverished states, claiming that a million-dollar homeowner in Jersey City pays less in property taxes than a landlord of up to $ 400.

“It’s not fair,” he said. “We need help with flattery and comparisons.”

Murphy said that hurts the poor students, especially in the colored communities.

“If you are in a Black or blue area or you are a Black or Black child out there, you will remove the rope from under you,” the governor said. “This is us if they move.”

The next governor also has the opportunity to appoint three new members to the state Supreme Court. And Ciattarelli has suggested he will appoint judges who want to reconsider school fees and the Mount Laurel move, which requires towns in New Jersey to build more affordable housing.

“I’m looking for people who are bringing balance to court,” he said.

Murphy continued his quest to have Ciattarelli a supporter of former President Donald Trump who will take New Jersey “backwards.”

Ciattarelli has argued that Murphy often blames Trump or former Governor Chris Christie – both Republicans.

“I promise you this: When I take office in January, I will not blame Murphy’s management for anything,” Ciattarelli said. “We will get the job done.”

Ciattarelli, who has been criticized for being dragged back after performing a stable job in parliament, was also pressured on Tuesday why he supported Trump even calling him a “charlatan” in 2015. Ciattarelli pushed back, starting with a laugh.

“In the twenty-seven years of marriage, I want you to know what Melinda called me worse than a little cheating person,” he said with a laugh, referring to his wife.

Ciattarelli went on to say that if Trump was elected he “wanted him to succeed” and that “it is not for America and not for the president to succeed.”

In addition, Ciattatelli praised Mr. Trump for his handling of the economy, border security, “toughness” in China, and the deportation of US envoys to Israel, which violated decades of US rule. He said he did not agree with Trump on digging the shoreline, financing the Gateway Tunnel project, and ending the country with property taxes over $ 10,000.

But Ciattarelli did not say whether he would support Mr. Trump if he opened a White House business in 2024. And he would not say whether he would welcome the former president with both hands if Mr. Trump slammed him in the face of a campaign.

“I go out there and pick it up myself,” Ciattarelli said. “I will win my election on my own.”

Abortion was also a popular topic Tuesday, with Ciattarelli taking action.

The U.S. Supreme Court has aborted illegally in Texas after refusing to hear a legal case, and Murphy said this should cause a stir among women in New Jersey and across the country. The governor said the new constitution should take steps now to pass the Reproductive Freedom Act in New Jersey, which would give effect to the constitution.

“This is based on something I think people thought was absurd and the theory here is about risk-taking,” Murphy said. “We have a chance that Roe v. Wade will have a character that is untrue or minor, if we are not completely removed, we must take action, and I am confident that we will take action.”

Ciattarelli said women should have the right to choose, even though she supports the ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. And he said Tuesday he is not sure whether the Supreme Court will overthrow Roe vs. Wade, which gives women the right to have abortions in the US.

But he said he supports the drafting of a state law to include the protection of Roe vs. Wade in New Jersey if overturned.

“If that’s what we need to do here in New Jersey to protect women’s right to vote, we will do it,” Ciattarelli said.

Murphy said he would be “very happy” if Ciattartelli was right about Roe v. Wade.

“But I do not expect that, frankly, with the Supreme Court full of Trump’s people,” the governor said.

At one point, Murphy snatched his opponent over a recent radio interview in which Ciattarelli refused to answer a question from a caller who asked him to explain “white privilege.”

“We’re different countries in America and if you don’t know how to answer the question, it’s hard to believe you can control space,” Murphy said.

Moderator Tuesday gave Ciattarelli another opportunity to explain the white privilege.

“Whites will take things that people of color don’t have,” Ciattarelli replied. “Yes, it is a sad fact. Has the Black race been short-lived and cursed? Yes, that’s a sad fact … and we have to fix it. ”

“And I believe I am talking about going to Black communities with the program I posted on my website, which is about boosting the economy, accessing health care, setting up a desert food program, and working with faith. -based organizations, “he added.

Murphy shot: “The white privilege is real. The legacy of slavery is not historical. Let’s not argue if it exists, let’s accept it, sadly, and let’s do something about it. “We’re different countries in America, you have to find it.”

What about the general population? Murphy looked worried at times.

“The controversy has spread over the game of hockey,” he said at one point.

The controversy ended with Ciattarelli supporters in a crowd of mockers Murphy issued his closing statement.

“The audience was full,” Ciattarelli told reporters after the incident. “We commend their efforts, but it has made it even more difficult. … I brought out what I meant, but all of this was wrong. ”

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