Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why Joe Rogan and I sat down and talked – for over three hours

I don’t think I’ve ever had a long conversation with anyone. Especially – think about it. We sat in a windowless podcast house with two sets of headphones and a microphone, and a few feet between us. Not another mistake. Not cell phones. There is nothing wrong with that. No bathroom brakes.

At a time when there is a need for shorter, more crisper content – in response to a shorter public view – one of the most popular podcasts in the world features long-lasting and in-depth conversations.

Many friends warned me not to accept Joe’s invitation. “There’s little room for meaningful communication too,” someone told me. “He’s argumentative and doesn’t play well,” one warned. In fact, when I told Joe at the beginning of the podcast that I did not agree with his clear views on anti-Covid drugs, ivermectin and many other substances in between, my part was thinking MMA, a former Taekwondo contestant could injure himself at the table and break my neck. But, instead he smiled, and left.

Well, I’m decorating it here, but Joe Rogan is the only guy in the world I would like to exchange views with for a real conversation – which could be at the center of an important discussion of the whole epidemic. After listening to his podcast for a while now, I wanted to know: Was Joe just an instant sower, a chaos maker? Or was there something else? Was he asking questions that asked to be asked, supplemented by reasonable suspicion and skepticism?

In the lions’ den

It wasn’t what is it Joe Rogan thinks he really likes me, that’s right why he thinks. This is what I really wanted to understand.

The truth is, I’ve always been a very controversial person myself. One of my heroes, physicist Edwin Hubble, said that the scientist has “a good sense of humor, suspended judgment and punished thinking, not only about other people’s ideas but also about their own.”

That’s a good way to think about the world – full of honesty and humility. I live by that, and I think Joe can get to a new level again. He will be the first to say that he is not a doctor or a scientist who has studied these topics. Instead, he seems to see himself as a little rapscallion and a kind of guardian of the channel, pointing out the steps being taken by big corporations like government and centralized medicine, and also wondering aloud if they can still be trusted to give advice or even permission to some of us. For many, she represents the queen bee in the memory of the hive, adding freedom and personal freedom above all else.

The free will of your fist ends at the beginning of my nose

When I said this to Joe, the MMA fighter, he paused, sat down and listened for a moment. I asked him: Is it possible to take a firm stand for human rights, but also to be aware of a specific danger represented by a contagious disease? He seemed to agree, but he quickly disputed the strange idea about all the use of injections.

If the victims were just as likely to die as they were, why is it so important?

It was like Joe and I were in the octagon, circling. He looked at me now, eyebrows raised. I agreed that the injection was still able to carry the virus on the same loads as without surgery, but it soon increased – before mentioning the victory – that there was more to the issue.
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I shared data with Joe stating that those who were vaccinated had an 8 percent chance of being infected at first, and that their infections dropped significantly faster if they became infected – making them less likely to transmit the virus and less likely to spread the virus.

Antibiotics are inadequate, but he had to acknowledge that the device was appropriate to help control the spread of the virus. And, they are especially effective in protecting people from serious illness or death. It can also help prevent the development of the long-term Covid, a chronic disease condition that some people develop after a natural infection, even if their bout with a serious viral load is mild.

What he said surprised me

Thus, it turns out that Joe Rogan almost had an injection. That was the topic of the article. It was a few months ago when he was in Las Vegas. He had a planned meeting but was having difficulty walking and could not do so. He cited the case as proof that he was not an “anti-injection,” even if he constantly raised issues that questioned their authenticity.

It’s the kind of backlash that makes it hard to get Joe Rogan down, both in boxing and podcast talk.

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For example: Even as he used to swear against masks, “The Joe Rogan Happens” masks written by his brand are available for sale on his website. I even bought it some time before and gave it to him as a gift. He expressed surprise. (Interestingly, it was made in China.)

Despite the reduction in Covid risks that are often heard on Joe’s podcast, his private studio begins to save. A nurse was there to conduct a quick Covid test before we started. We have already checked for the presence of antibodies with a finger prick test.

We both carried antibodies – his from natural diseases, mine from injections. I was vaccinated in December last year and Rogan arrested Covid at the end of August. Although an antibody test could only detect the presence of antibodies and not their strength, Joe bragged about his test, insisting that the thickness of his lines should mean a strong infection. I’m sure he was laughing. And, I had no heart to tell him that my antibody cord was much fatter than his anyway.

The nuance of self-defense

It reproduces by repeating that no one should choose a virus other than being infected. That has been the concern of public health officials since the early days of the epidemic. If nothing else comes out of my conversation with Joe Rogan, I better hope this point works. Many people became seriously ill and died, although effective vaccines were available. In the past three months, there have been more than 900,000 Covid-19 vaccine deaths in the US among uninfected people, according to a recent study by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
At the same time, an Israeli study found more scrutiny after it was discovered that the natural virus had provided significant protection – even stronger than Pfizer / BioNTech’s immune system in people who had never been infected. “

So the question is raised by Joe, as do many others: Why should those who have had Covid get treatment?

That’s a good question, and one I picked up by Dr Anthony Anthony Fauci back in early September. “At the time, he told me that there was no strong response to this, and they are still looking at how the recommendations should be progressing and how strong the defense will be over time.”
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Part of the thing is that we still don’t know how many people caught Covid in the United States. The official figure is around forty-five million, but due to the continuing lack of adequate testing, it remains uncertain. And many of the tests of antibodies that are currently available have high levels of both false positives and false positives, often making them unreliable as evidence of infection.

Another issue with a natural infection is that it can vary greatly depending on a person’s age and their initial illness. Severe illness in older people often resulted in fewer antibodies being produced.

Some studies have shown that between 30 and 40 percent of people who recovered from Covid have no viral infection at all. This may explain why a recent study showed that people who were not vaccinated with Covid were twice as likely to be infected as those who were vaccinated.
I told Joe that even in a study from Israel, the authors concluded with the idea that people who recovered from Covid were still receiving treatment. And when Joe put a lot of pressure on the risk of myocarditis in children receiving treatment, especially young boys, I responded equally that the risk of myocarditis was shown to be much higher in infected children under the age of 16 compared to their uninfected peers. . Those numbers increase the risk of myocarditis in children receiving treatment (and, to be sure, most cases of myocarditis can be treated without hospitalization). For me, the risk-benefit analysis is obvious: Vaccination is safer than infection.

I guess a little bit of my part I thought I could change Joe Rogan’s mind about drugs. After the last exchange, I realized that this was probably a waste of time. His ideas were speculated, and there would always be many misconceptions out there that were well-organized to support his beliefs. The truth is, I’m still glad I did. My three-hour-long conversation was not limited to Rogan. If few in his audience were satisfied, it would be appropriate.

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