I don’t think I’ve ever had a long conversation with anyone. Especially – think about it. We sat in a windowless podcast house with two sets of headphones and a microphone, and a few feet between us. Not another mistake. Not cell phones. There is nothing wrong with that. No bathroom brakes.
At a time when there is a need for shorter, more crisper content – in response to a shorter public view – one of the most popular podcasts in the world features long-lasting and in-depth conversations.
Many friends warned me not to accept Joe’s invitation. “There’s little room for meaningful communication too,” someone told me. “He’s argumentative and doesn’t play well,” one warned. In fact, when I told Joe at the beginning of the podcast that I did not agree with his clear views on anti-Covid drugs, ivermectin and many other substances in between, my part was thinking MMA, a former Taekwondo contestant could injure himself at the table and break my neck. But, instead he smiled, and left.
Well, I’m decorating it here, but Joe Rogan is the only guy in the world I would like to exchange views with for a real conversation – which could be at the center of an important discussion of the whole epidemic. After listening to his podcast for a while now, I wanted to know: Was Joe just an instant sower, a chaos maker? Or was there something else? Was he asking questions that asked to be asked, supplemented by reasonable suspicion and skepticism?
In the lions’ den
It wasn’t what is it Joe Rogan thinks he really likes me, that’s right why he thinks. This is what I really wanted to understand.
The truth is, I’ve always been a very controversial person myself. One of my heroes, physicist Edwin Hubble, said that the scientist has “a good sense of humor, suspended judgment and punished thinking, not only about other people’s ideas but also about their own.”
That’s a good way to think about the world – full of honesty and humility. I live by that, and I think Joe can get to a new level again. He will be the first to say that he is not a doctor or a scientist who has studied these topics. Instead, he seems to see himself as a little rapscallion and a kind of guardian of the channel, pointing out the steps being taken by big corporations like government and centralized medicine, and also wondering aloud if they can still be trusted to give advice or even permission to some of us. For many, she represents the queen bee in the memory of the hive, adding freedom and personal freedom above all else.
The free will of your fist ends at the beginning of my nose
When I said this to Joe, the MMA fighter, he paused, sat down and listened for a moment. I asked him: Is it possible to take a firm stand for human rights, but also to be aware of a specific danger represented by a contagious disease? He seemed to agree, but he quickly disputed the strange idea about all the use of injections.
If the victims were just as likely to die as they were, why is it so important?
Antibiotics are inadequate, but he had to acknowledge that the device was appropriate to help control the spread of the virus. And, they are especially effective in protecting people from serious illness or death. It can also help prevent the development of the long-term Covid, a chronic disease condition that some people develop after a natural infection, even if their bout with a serious viral load is mild.
What he said surprised me
Thus, it turns out that Joe Rogan almost had an injection. That was the topic of the article. It was a few months ago when he was in Las Vegas. He had a planned meeting but was having difficulty walking and could not do so. He cited the case as proof that he was not an “anti-injection,” even if he constantly raised issues that questioned their authenticity.
It’s the kind of backlash that makes it hard to get Joe Rogan down, both in boxing and podcast talk.
Despite the reduction in Covid risks that are often heard on Joe’s podcast, his private studio begins to save. A nurse was there to conduct a quick Covid test before we started. We have already checked for the presence of antibodies with a finger prick test.
We both carried antibodies – his from natural diseases, mine from injections. I was vaccinated in December last year and Rogan arrested Covid at the end of August. Although an antibody test could only detect the presence of antibodies and not their strength, Joe bragged about his test, insisting that the thickness of his lines should mean a strong infection. I’m sure he was laughing. And, I had no heart to tell him that my antibody cord was much fatter than his anyway.
The nuance of self-defense
So the question is raised by Joe, as do many others: Why should those who have had Covid get treatment?
Another issue with a natural infection is that it can vary greatly depending on a person’s age and their initial illness. Severe illness in older people often resulted in fewer antibodies being produced.
I guess a little bit of my part I thought I could change Joe Rogan’s mind about drugs. After the last exchange, I realized that this was probably a waste of time. His ideas were speculated, and there would always be many misconceptions out there that were well-organized to support his beliefs. The truth is, I’m still glad I did. My three-hour-long conversation was not limited to Rogan. If few in his audience were satisfied, it would be appropriate.